please post here of any ai issues after the graphics/dtm 95 update please remember to include , ai % # cars track /layout standing/rolling start start position thanks laptimes/screenshot of result Andi
I have the honor of posting here after the update, which is incredible; shout out to all those who worked so hard I bought all the new content, incl. the new Hockenheim layouts. I tried this today with Group 4, I drove the M1 on diff’ 95 against both cars, and the AI just left me literally standing on the straights, and all passed me, they were exceptionally quick and I couldn’t match their pace. I came in last with a time of 2,29,676, and the quickest AI was at 2,19,000, I think too quick. I tried Group 5 here as well, and that seemed a little better and more balanced, but here only diff’ 90 because of the severe understeer, but I was competitive with the 935. The vintage content remains unbalanced and the AI are blisteringly quick, and don’t seem to have the understeer or turbo lag issues, which are hallmarks of these cars.
Massively disappointed with my first tests of the AI with legacy cars and tracks. WTCR 2019 VW Golf 100% AI, no quali and standing start from 12th on the grid 19 AI cars at ningbo full no chicane. Nothing has changed at all. I did 5 restarts then quit because non stop white flags from AI crashing into each other and letting me have first place because they had pile ups on lap 1 at the same corner T6 the 90 degree left hander every single restart pre and post update. Autodrom Most exact same car and game settings. Sector 3 especially the final two corners they are on rails and get the super Mario kart speed boost down the start finish straight. AI was better pre update at Most. Honestly, I’ve been looking forward to this update all day and for AI purposes on the legacy content it’s still a hard no on the above combos. I will try others on Friday and weekend when I’m off from work. I’ve bought all the new content, but wanted to test legacy content first. Also the load times to get into an AI race are super long now and also post race selecting exit takes so long to get back to main menu. Actually gutted! It does look nicer though!
i need laptimes for most and ningbo screen shot of result helps no changes were made as far as i know to most or the wtcr19 cars ; but i will ask Andi
Heya Edit all of the below relates to Ningbo full no chicane. Turn 6 at Ningbo is a disaster. It was before the update as I posted in previous AI thread and it still is now. There were no lap times because by the time I come out of turn 6 on lap 1, look in my rear view mirror and there’s a massive AI pile up. I reported this in previous thread that their lap times aren’t relevant because they keep screwing up turn 6 in lap one and then during a ten lap race they will screw turn 6 up a handful more times and I’ll watch my lead grow and grow. If the AI can learn to navigate turn 6 then lap times will have a bearing. The root cause of the ningbo issue is turn 6. If thats resolved everything else will probably work itself out. Please try this combo with a ten lap race and you will see it all play out. Thank you I should get a chance to race tonight but because I play in vr my monitor only shows a black screen so not sure I can capture it. I’ll type it out haha
So I gave a shot at some of the tracks that I recently had pointed out issues with in the previous thread. They are now a charm to drive around and this update is a gold! But I have therefore encountered two issues at a track which has been notorious for AI dilemma yet one issue has been fixed at it still, so here is what the issues are. Car class: GTR3 Track: Watkins Glen GP Start:Standing Position:Midfield Skill level: 97 The issues: The AIs are yet again too fast through corner "outer loop" and the penultimate corner(number 10) Just a reminder: You have patched and fixed the dreadfully slow AIs between corners "chute" and "heel". All you now need to do is, slowing down the AIs on these two corners I mentioned and I swear on everything, you have fixed every single problem on this track. You did extremely well with Salzburgring and Slovakiaring which I now finally can enjoy to the max!
For you Andi I completed two mind numbingly boring races for you. Ningbo full no chicane ai 100% 10 laps standing start 19 ai cars no quali I start 12th out of 20 default set up and minimal motivation and effort from me driving the ten laps. The AI are worse no question, not one single AI in two races completed a lap without messing up Turn 6 and this is demonstrated in their sector times. I lapped three cars, two of them I passed as they had crashed out to the right hand side run off area of T6 I don’t know how they did it and I didn’t witness it but saw two of them spinning around on the run off and I lapped them. Sector 1 where T6 resides each race I was faster than the AI by between 5 to 7 seconds. Sector 2 and 3 were very comparable, I was a smidge faster. The fastest ai laps ( which shouldn’t count because they off tracked every lap at T6 ) ranged between 5.5 to 10 seconds slower than me, even though we were comparable in sectors 2 and 3. As said I lapped three cars in 10 laps and I “won” each race by 50 seconds. This is the worst AI ever and makes AC AI look like geniuses. Please try for yourself and witness how shocking they are. Watch your delta every lap jump up by around 5 seconds, that’s when you know P2 is in the T6 complex. Prior to the update they would be able to put a handful of actual laps in and from memory they were comparable overall. Now they can’t do one single clean lap. I’ll try out Assen next that one was the big culprit for super Mario kart mushroom whilst hitting a yellow arrow double speed boost down the back straight. I can’t take screenshots as I’m in vr and my monitor is just a black screen mirror.
Everything the exact same as previous test but now at Assen GP. No change to previous tests I did two or three months ago. lap times are identical to AI ( they are still well behaved in the tight sector 1 hairpin which is great ) but the start finish straight, the straight after the tight hairpin and the long back straight in sector 3 they just fly by me or get caught in a convoy desperate to get passed me. I just watch them fly out further ahead of me or get bigger in my rear view mirror. There’s no fun to be had because I can never draft them to then out break them in hard braking zones. I’m done testing for this evening.
I so far have tried both AVUS 94 and old Hockenheimring. They are wonderful and very beautifully created tracks. As for car category, I have only done racing on them with just the DTM 95 pack which are loads of fun to drive. But speaking of AI issues I encountered with, here they are Skill: 97 Start:Standing Position 10th On AVUS, the AIs are slightly faster than me out of "Nord Kehre" A packed grid will very often cause a traffic jam at "Neu Sud Kehre" At the old Hockenheim, the AIs are faster out of corners "Agip", 15 & 16. I also so happen to have encountered one rubberbanding AI after I manage to take the lead. At best I managed to make a 2:13:2xx while the AI behind is the only one to be faster with a 2:13:1xx and challenge me in the meantime the rest of the AIs are either doing 2:14-2:16 lap times and falling much behind. It also so feels like the AIs at the ring are way too aggressive, will nudge at times on the inside and have insane grip on bumpy corners: That explains why I was around 0,8 seconds slower than the fastest AI in S3
Gave a try in a qualifying run. S3 times speak well for themselves. But damn how dominant the Mercedes is..
Portimao - Chicane layout - the previous AI thread is locked so I can’t copy and paste on my iPad. WTCR 2019 100% ai no quali standing start position 12 on grid out of 20 cars ten laps default set up and only upped the wing one notch I’m absolutely smoking them in sector 1, sector 2 more balanced although I’m faster and in this example I would need to look at upping ai strength but sector 3 they absolutely smoke me back. The last two corners going onto start finish straight they defy physics especially the final right curve onto start finish straight and then down the start finish straight they get their super Mario boost and fly away. On average they will pull out a 1 to 1.3 second lead down the start finish straight. We then hit the heavy braking zone of T1 where they are terrible and I can on average turn their 1.0 to 1.3 second lead into a zero second lead and be on their bumper as they brake too hard and too early, Heading to the hair pin they pull away but they brake too hard and too early into the hairpin and I can easily overtake them because of this. Then it balances it out for a bit until we hit those final two turns in sector 3. No change at all from previous build and exact same as what I reported in previous AI thread. I would be happy to summarise a lot of legacy content didn’t get any love and the same AI issues remain. They Brake too early and too heavy, they can’t deal with 90 degree corners or hairpins and they get free DRS and P2P type boosts on long straights to compensate for all the time they lose in slow corners.
I can thoroughly recommend Porsche 992 cup car at Most! The AI are awesome to race against, may be a tad aggressive sticking their noses in through sector 1, they spun me out once or twice. But the main fun part is they don’t get speed boosts,they navigate tight corners very well, I can set them up in the final corner so that I can draft them down the start finish straight and I have to out brake them into T1 because they brake at pretty much the same point I do and they are a genuine challenge to over take! Drafting and out braking is where all the fun is! Porsche 992 cup AI at Most are awesome, great job! Of course I then tried my beloved WTCR Rob Huff 2019 golf and it’s the complete opposite of the above. Reading other comments and based on my own experiences, I’m starting to feel like raceroom did the WTCR cars dirty and gave them no love. They are no fun to race against and I can’t find a track where they are fun to race.
ai 95% 20 cars track /layout AVUS (both) standing start start position 20 massive pile-ups at hairneedle with Formula 4 and Formula 3 cars (probably other Formula cars as well) in lap 1 red car was going straight into the armco, than driving back and fore and back and ramming other cars
I can confirm the problem with T6 on Ningbo full no chicane but funnily enough they have no problems with T6 on Ningbo Full with chicane
P1s @ Spa - AI seem too fast in Sector 2. I am purple in Sectors 1 and 3 yet nearly 3 seconds off the pace of the fastest AI in Sector 2. They seem able to carry more speed through the fast corners, particularly T12/Pouhon - I just understeer off if I try to take it at the same speed. I tried lowering the AI skill but it just made them too slow in Sectors 1 & 3 whilst comparatively too fast in Sector 2.
Audi TT Hockenheim. Ai 100% They smoke you out after 2 corners on big straight even if you got better corner exit, then when on brake to turn they slow too much. Last 2 corners they seam to go on trails. Sorry no fun like this, can not play it like this .
are you using ptp ? ai % ? please can you both reread the first post and add the missing details please as it helps Andi
tested and i have no issues with this ; i can see a little early braking but on the straight im at least matching them and last two corners i can even get under them to overtake ; id check tc settings and make sure your using ptp Andi
AI difficulty: 98 Car class: GTR3 Track: Watkins Glen GP with chicane Start position:20th Start type: Standing I wanted to give another try at this cursed track to see if there is more to flag following my previous post. But damn it just gets much much worse. During both starts and at times later in the race, the AIs will spin off on turn one! The next issue can easily be identified by looking at the screenshot of the race results. Just look at this in shame!!! How is it possible for AIs to have such unrealistic pace?!?!? How is the rubberbanding not even fixed still? And how are the AIs still in such broken condition at this track even after almost four years since its release?!?!?!? QUICK RANT: I have played GT7, the new Flopza Motorsport 2023 and Automobilista 2. The track is featured in these games and even came later as either free update or DLC. Guess what, neither there are the AIs so broken at the Glen. To add further insults to injury, even when modded in Assetto Corsa the AIs dont do this!